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Post by blah on Jun 7, 2006 19:17:14 GMT -5
Well, although this movie could've been waaaaay better, I still liked it alot. (But I can't seem to choose between this and the second...) My theory for X-Men 4: If you would have read the comic books, or even know a bit about some of the major X-Men plots, you should know a thing or two about the Phoenix and the ark Phoenix. (Like how she can manipulate and create fire, which they didn't seem to include in X3 for some reason. .) The (Dark)Phoenix can warp things through space and time, which is a huge thing to think about here and is pretty important. Back in the beginning of the movie, Charles was talking about mutants being able to control powers, and then moved to asking what might happen if one person's conciousness could be transferred to another's body, or perhaps their entire being be warped to another place or time. (The warp part is from the comics, the part before from the movie) Then, if you stayed for the secret scene at the end, you would've seen that same patient mumble something to the doctor, and then see her whisper, "Charles?". This leads me to believe he was transferred, meaning the same happened to Scott. (They aren't going to kill off the lead X-man and the character that the whole idea of X-men revolves aroung.) They also can't kill off the most powerful mutant X-Men has ever seen, the Phoenix. She isn't dead. She had supposedly died on the moon in the comics, but was later found alive. This is actually where the theory is played out: (Keep in mind this is not actually what is to happen, just my theory, as it is the plot that follows the Dark Phoenix) In X4, Scott and Charles will be found alive, and soon after Scott will meet Madelynn Prior. Scott often notices things about her that remind him of Jean, and eventually falls in love with her. (Madelynn) Afterwards they get married where the plot begins to involve a large company, the president of which cloned Jean Grey for her powerful abilities. They then find Phoenix, or Jean, (whichever you like to call her by) and Scott leaves Madelynn for his previous wife. They all then learn of how Madelynn was the clone of Jean Grey, and a huge battle will start up. ;D That's the basics of it, all in a nutshell!
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Post by fredslacks on Jun 9, 2006 15:31:29 GMT -5
Well, although this movie could've been waaaaay better, I still liked it alot. (But I can't seem to choose between this and the second...) My theory for X-Men 4: If you would have read the comic books, or even know a bit about some of the major X-Men plots, you should know a thing or two about the Phoenix and the ark Phoenix. (Like how she can manipulate and create fire, which they didn't seem to include in X3 for some reason. .) The (Dark)Phoenix can warp things through space and time, which is a huge thing to think about here and is pretty important. Back in the beginning of the movie, Charles was talking about mutants being able to control powers, and then moved to asking what might happen if one person's conciousness could be transferred to another's body, or perhaps their entire being be warped to another place or time. (The warp part is from the comics, the part before from the movie) Then, if you stayed for the secret scene at the end, you would've seen that same patient mumble something to the doctor, and then see her whisper, "Charles?". This leads me to believe he was transferred, meaning the same happened to Scott. (They aren't going to kill off the lead X-man and the character that the whole idea of X-men revolves aroung.) They also can't kill off the most powerful mutant X-Men has ever seen, the Phoenix. She isn't dead. She had supposedly died on the moon in the comics, but was later found alive. This is actually where the theory is played out: (Keep in mind this is not actually what is to happen, just my theory, as it is the plot that follows the Dark Phoenix) In X4, Scott and Charles will be found alive, and soon after Scott will meet Madelynn Prior. Scott often notices things about her that remind him of Jean, and eventually falls in love with her. (Madelynn) Afterwards they get married where the plot begins to involve a large company, the president of which cloned Jean Grey for her powerful abilities. They then find Phoenix, or Jean, (whichever you like to call her by) and Scott leaves Madelynn for his previous wife. They all then learn of how Madelynn was the clone of Jean Grey, and a huge battle will start up. ;D That's the basics of it, all in a nutshell! a clone??? weird
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Post by blah on Jun 9, 2006 17:00:56 GMT -5
Yes, but the cool thing about Jean Grey is her tie to this "Phoenix Force" which allows her, like a Phoenix, rise from death. But to your statement, Mr. Sinister thought of how Jean and Scott both posessed amazing power and strength, so he concluded that a child of theirs would hold unbelievable power. So he created Madelynn Prior to be a love-interest of Scott's so that they might have a child while Phoenix (Jean) was presumed dead. The child's name was Nathan, and was taken away soon after Phoenix was found alive. After Scott had gone back to the Phoenix, Madelynn was furious, and an ancient God named...S'ym I think, visited Madelynn in a dream to offer her powers to take revenge on Scott. Madelynn accepted and was thereafter known as a villain.
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Post by fredslacks on Jun 11, 2006 0:13:22 GMT -5
Yes, but the cool thing about Jean Grey is her tie to this "Phoenix Force" which allows her, like a Phoenix, rise from death. But to your statement, Mr. Sinister thought of how Jean and Scott both posessed amazing power and strength, so he concluded that a child of theirs would hold unbelievable power. So he created Madelynn Prior to be a love-interest of Scott's so that they might have a child while Phoenix (Jean) was presumed dead. The child's name was Nathan, and was taken away soon after Phoenix was found alive. After Scott had gone back to the Phoenix, Madelynn was furious, and an ancient God named...S'ym I think, visited Madelynn in a dream to offer her powers to take revenge on Scott. Madelynn accepted and was thereafter known as a villain. ancient god eh? weirdER
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Post by blah on Jun 22, 2006 17:00:35 GMT -5
Yes, but the cool thing about Jean Grey is her tie to this "Phoenix Force" which allows her, like a Phoenix, rise from death. But to your statement, Mr. Sinister thought of how Jean and Scott both posessed amazing power and strength, so he concluded that a child of theirs would hold unbelievable power. So he created Madelynn Prior to be a love-interest of Scott's so that they might have a child while Phoenix (Jean) was presumed dead. The child's name was Nathan, and was taken away soon after Phoenix was found alive. After Scott had gone back to the Phoenix, Madelynn was furious, and an ancient God named...S'ym I think, visited Madelynn in a dream to offer her powers to take revenge on Scott. Madelynn accepted and was thereafter known as a villain. ancient god eh? weirdER What's even cooler, or weird to you lol, is that after that, well don't hold me 100% correct on this, but I'm pretty sure that soon after there was another Ancient God who visited Madelynn and gave her it's powers too. I don't remember it's name, but she was then known as "The Goblin Queen". (Either after the first or after the second, lol)
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Post by Darkbugg on Jun 22, 2006 18:01:22 GMT -5
Maybe me and Mello will actually be able to see it tomorrow, if it's still at the theater and nothing stupid comes up. Then perhaps we'll have something to comment on this about.
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Post by blah on Jun 23, 2006 12:54:49 GMT -5
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Post by Darkbugg on Jun 23, 2006 15:13:06 GMT -5
That's usually what happens when the film creators don't take the time to research what they're producing and just try to push out a movie that isn't too accurate for the general public.
But anyways, we watched to movie today and it was pretty good being judged by current film standards. The effects and action were entertaining, but I felt the story lacked. It felt forced and had little depth- but that's to be expected when they're trying to show the life events of twenty-something characters in only a 2 hour movie. There was just no time to explain what the hell was going on at times... like Jean's first reappearance: "How's this possible?" And they just basically answered it with an, "I don't know." Or that throughout the majority of the movie, she just stood around looking haunted and really only did something in two or three scenes. The plot just didn't flow naturally.
IMO, I thought the 2nd one was better. But they did leave the story open-ended, so maybe they'll try a little harder on the next one.
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Post by blah on Jun 23, 2006 16:31:44 GMT -5
Did you stay for after the credits? It doesn't leave it just 'a little' open-ended for another sequel!!! Jean's powers evolved while lifting the ship and holding back the water from the dam at Alkaline Lake, (if you didn't notice the fire beginning to surround her, that was to show her transformation into the Phoenix), she was pushing her power to unimaginable extents and therefore beginning the reign of the Phoenix. Once she got the ship going, and let the water surge upon her, she created a psychic cucoon in which she basically somehow survived subconciously in for a period of time. That is when the complete evolution of her powers took place. Once Scott had actually visited her, and his solar beam pierced through the water, (We're back in the 3rd one now. lol) it triggered something to then wake her. The complete feel of power and confidence took her over after she had used so much of it to help the others escape previously. (Her confidence, if you didn't already notice, was portrayed by her two sexual encounters with Scott and Logan.) The movie was only 1 hr 30 min long, which definately left good time to develop the story more as you said, which I completely agree with. I almost felt the entire thing was being rushed, and being the type of movie it is, it should've been standardly longer anyway.
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Post by Darkbugg on Jun 23, 2006 20:37:20 GMT -5
Nope, we didn't stay after the credits. Maybe we'll rent it later... Yeah, I did notice connections between some of events leading to her transformation, but you pretty much have to be a fan of the comic to pick up on all the intricacies.
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Post by blah on Jun 24, 2006 17:22:17 GMT -5
Lol, that's pretty much true. I guess nerds like me want everything perfect!
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Post by Natsume on Jun 25, 2006 14:03:14 GMT -5
am i special for noticing all that stuff? XP (yes, i stayed after the credits)
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Post by blah on Jun 26, 2006 9:59:14 GMT -5
am i special for noticing all that stuff? XP (yes, i stayed after the credits) Of course!
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Post by Preppy Fellow on Sept 25, 2007 19:22:28 GMT -5
X-Men III: The Last Stand. I remember seeing this movie on Comcast OnDemand. I really enjoyed it. Intense action and dramactic sequences. Beautiful actresses. Just beautiful talented actresses. My favorite part is all of the flashbacks. Whatabout yours?
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Post by blah on Sept 28, 2007 10:48:52 GMT -5
Wow, I'm a douche.
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